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		<title>By: Claska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was recently scammed this way - Budget Rental Eyre square Galway Ireland. Filled  the car up, returned - charged for half a tank. Showed receipt, but still have not gotten the refund. Complained to Chase Visa and filed a dispute - was overturned on account that I cant plrove the 25 litres of fuel was put int my rental car. I am now pursuing video footage from the gas station and contacting the police. 

in my case the return of the car to Budget occus via a 3rd party at a parking garage, and the man that receives the car is not in a budget uniform  so I assume this is a great way for them to fill up their own vehicles - its childs play to remove the fuel and fill their own car. Free gas paid for by unsuspecting tourists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently scammed this way &#8211; Budget Rental Eyre square Galway Ireland. Filled  the car up, returned &#8211; charged for half a tank. Showed receipt, but still have not gotten the refund. Complained to Chase Visa and filed a dispute &#8211; was overturned on account that I cant plrove the 25 litres of fuel was put int my rental car. I am now pursuing video footage from the gas station and contacting the police. </p>
<p>in my case the return of the car to Budget occus via a 3rd party at a parking garage, and the man that receives the car is not in a budget uniform  so I assume this is a great way for them to fill up their own vehicles &#8211; its childs play to remove the fuel and fill their own car. Free gas paid for by unsuspecting tourists.</p>
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		<title>By: Evert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I did: yesterday... in Rome... and this story goes beyond the previous one... where you cannot even GET a receipt!!

Before you might read my complaints letter, be aware of the following FACTS that augment this reality: around the airport of Rome, most (if not ALL) gasstations do NOT accept ANY credit/debit cards at all... Some are simply closed, ALL have a &#039;out of order&#039; paper on the card slot and ALL pump attendends say &#039;CASH only!&#039;... well, as I said, try to get a receipt!
I took pictures of all places where I fuelled, and next time will even make movies where I film myself filling the tank and SPILLING it... I recommend everyone to do so! Ok, rediculous, but hopefully safer!


And here is the letter!!




Dear Sir, Dear Madam,


 


As a returning Dollar client and a Dollar Express Member
(0100642524) I&#039;m sorry to inform you that I&#039;m very disappointed with the
services delivered by the rental office at the airport of Rome Ciampino on May
22nd between 1700 and 1800. Apart from previous good and very good experiences
I inform you about this issue because (imho) what happened today does not
represent your company well.


I would like to know what the follow-up of this issue
will be, so I can decide if I would like to stay a Dollar Member and client or
not.


 


I&#039;m talking about the Car Rental xrf 610692 / RA
n.2526570 at the Airport of Roma Ciampino, which we rented for one day.


 


When we returned the car to the rental office for the
first time, the desk manager (Ciara) told us the car was not filled up and the
additional charge would be 27euro. 


Having driven not even 120km with a small car (final
milage 17538km - starting milage 17419km), and having filled up 7liters
ourselves (10euro at about 1.5euro/liter) I found the additional charge way to
much. The amount would be about half a days rent with full insurrence - 57euro
for the initial contract for a day with full coverage. On top of that, the type
of car (peugeot 206+) would probably not need more than 10-12liters for the
trip in total. I estimate the average full cost at about 6-8liter/100km. Having
checked several reviews online, most tests have about 1:16.9 or better, scoring
between 5.8liters/100km up to 8.5liters/100km in a city.


 


So I decided to go and fill the car up myself, knowing
that for another additional 10euro, I could add about 7 more liter to the tank
and have it full. 


Please note that we visited about 12-14 gasstations
around the airport, NONE of them would accept any credit or debit cards. About
six stations were out of order, the others accepting cash ONLY, not giving any
return money. An obvious trick to disappoint people when filling up their car
imho, thus forcing them into buying the gasoline at the rental place at about
1,8x the regular price (+ an additional fee). 


 


So we went and got cash, and did exactly as described
above: filled the car up with another 10euro (7liter) and drove back. The fuel
meter did NOT show any difference however, the car being fuelled for little
more than 14liters now, good for a trip of about 150km so to speak.


When we returned to the desk, your employee (Ciara) told
us again: the car is not full. I asked how many more liters were needed. She
answered first six, later five. That would mean the car needed a fillup of
about 20 liters for a trip of about 120km. From this point on, I realised
something was wrong with the meter and/or the way we were being handled. A
small car as the peugeot 206+ does not use about 17liter/100km. I told this but
your employee would not listen, claiming her English was not good. She said she
was going to charge the 27euro additional cost. I did not (and do not) approve
any of this this. 


Finally an Avis employee explained there was a fee for
filling up and the petrol charged at a higher price, but as explained before,
this did not cover the 17liter/km story. So I drove out for a third time,
filling up the car with another 10euro untill the tank literally spilled! This
time, I could only add 3,93liter, so not the 6 or 5 your employee told me. The
meter AGAIN had not changed its position at all.


 


When I drove back with a spilled tank, your employee told
me again: the car is not filled up, I&#039;m going to charge you 27euro. At that
time I had to leave to catch my flight, tired of not being heard and not
wanting to go into the discussing that the initial 27euro had to be revised
since I had added more gasoline since the first measurement.


So I left and while doing so told Ciara that I was going
to contact you about this issue and unfair business, so I do.


 


To summarize: I&#039;ve paid 30euro for a 18liter fill up, for
a 120km trip (with a car that would milage about 6-8liter/100km) AND will be
charged an additional 27euro?


I guess not! Therefor I decline all of these extra
charges and do not accept any additional charges on top of the initial contract
of 57euro. I&#039;ll pay the cost of the initial contract without any questions, as
I find this only natural for using your service.


 


I hope to have informed you of a bad experience that I
trust is only an exception and not the usual way Dollar Car Rental works. I
hope you will correct the additional charges made and judge this way of handling
as incorrect too. As stated in my prologue, I would like to know what follow-up
you&#039;ll give to this complaint so I can decide whether or not I want to do
further business with Dollar Car Rental. It would give me great pleasure if
indeed I could do so, because I was a happy customer before and would like to
know if I could trust your service again in the future.


 


Rgds,


 


Evert Vandenberghe


Dollar Expres Member: 0100642524


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I did: yesterday&#8230; in Rome&#8230; and this story goes beyond the previous one&#8230; where you cannot even GET a receipt!!</p>
<p>Before you might read my complaints letter, be aware of the following FACTS that augment this reality: around the airport of Rome, most (if not ALL) gasstations do NOT accept ANY credit/debit cards at all&#8230; Some are simply closed, ALL have a &#8216;out of order&#8217; paper on the card slot and ALL pump attendends say &#8216;CASH only!&#8217;&#8230; well, as I said, try to get a receipt!<br />
I took pictures of all places where I fuelled, and next time will even make movies where I film myself filling the tank and SPILLING it&#8230; I recommend everyone to do so! Ok, rediculous, but hopefully safer!</p>
<p>And here is the letter!!</p>
<p>Dear Sir, Dear Madam,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>As a returning Dollar client and a Dollar Express Member<br />
(0100642524) I&#8217;m sorry to inform you that I&#8217;m very disappointed with the<br />
services delivered by the rental office at the airport of Rome Ciampino on May<br />
22nd between 1700 and 1800. Apart from previous good and very good experiences<br />
I inform you about this issue because (imho) what happened today does not<br />
represent your company well.</p>
<p>I would like to know what the follow-up of this issue<br />
will be, so I can decide if I would like to stay a Dollar Member and client or<br />
not.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m talking about the Car Rental xrf 610692 / RA<br />
n.2526570 at the Airport of Roma Ciampino, which we rented for one day.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>When we returned the car to the rental office for the<br />
first time, the desk manager (Ciara) told us the car was not filled up and the<br />
additional charge would be 27euro. </p>
<p>Having driven not even 120km with a small car (final<br />
milage 17538km &#8211; starting milage 17419km), and having filled up 7liters<br />
ourselves (10euro at about 1.5euro/liter) I found the additional charge way to<br />
much. The amount would be about half a days rent with full insurrence &#8211; 57euro<br />
for the initial contract for a day with full coverage. On top of that, the type<br />
of car (peugeot 206+) would probably not need more than 10-12liters for the<br />
trip in total. I estimate the average full cost at about 6-8liter/100km. Having<br />
checked several reviews online, most tests have about 1:16.9 or better, scoring<br />
between 5.8liters/100km up to 8.5liters/100km in a city.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>So I decided to go and fill the car up myself, knowing<br />
that for another additional 10euro, I could add about 7 more liter to the tank<br />
and have it full. </p>
<p>Please note that we visited about 12-14 gasstations<br />
around the airport, NONE of them would accept any credit or debit cards. About<br />
six stations were out of order, the others accepting cash ONLY, not giving any<br />
return money. An obvious trick to disappoint people when filling up their car<br />
imho, thus forcing them into buying the gasoline at the rental place at about<br />
1,8x the regular price (+ an additional fee). </p>
<p> </p>
<p>So we went and got cash, and did exactly as described<br />
above: filled the car up with another 10euro (7liter) and drove back. The fuel<br />
meter did NOT show any difference however, the car being fuelled for little<br />
more than 14liters now, good for a trip of about 150km so to speak.</p>
<p>When we returned to the desk, your employee (Ciara) told<br />
us again: the car is not full. I asked how many more liters were needed. She<br />
answered first six, later five. That would mean the car needed a fillup of<br />
about 20 liters for a trip of about 120km. From this point on, I realised<br />
something was wrong with the meter and/or the way we were being handled. A<br />
small car as the peugeot 206+ does not use about 17liter/100km. I told this but<br />
your employee would not listen, claiming her English was not good. She said she<br />
was going to charge the 27euro additional cost. I did not (and do not) approve<br />
any of this this. </p>
<p>Finally an Avis employee explained there was a fee for<br />
filling up and the petrol charged at a higher price, but as explained before,<br />
this did not cover the 17liter/km story. So I drove out for a third time,<br />
filling up the car with another 10euro untill the tank literally spilled! This<br />
time, I could only add 3,93liter, so not the 6 or 5 your employee told me. The<br />
meter AGAIN had not changed its position at all.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>When I drove back with a spilled tank, your employee told<br />
me again: the car is not filled up, I&#8217;m going to charge you 27euro. At that<br />
time I had to leave to catch my flight, tired of not being heard and not<br />
wanting to go into the discussing that the initial 27euro had to be revised<br />
since I had added more gasoline since the first measurement.</p>
<p>So I left and while doing so told Ciara that I was going<br />
to contact you about this issue and unfair business, so I do.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>To summarize: I&#8217;ve paid 30euro for a 18liter fill up, for<br />
a 120km trip (with a car that would milage about 6-8liter/100km) AND will be<br />
charged an additional 27euro?</p>
<p>I guess not! Therefor I decline all of these extra<br />
charges and do not accept any additional charges on top of the initial contract<br />
of 57euro. I&#8217;ll pay the cost of the initial contract without any questions, as<br />
I find this only natural for using your service.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I hope to have informed you of a bad experience that I<br />
trust is only an exception and not the usual way Dollar Car Rental works. I<br />
hope you will correct the additional charges made and judge this way of handling<br />
as incorrect too. As stated in my prologue, I would like to know what follow-up<br />
you&#8217;ll give to this complaint so I can decide whether or not I want to do<br />
further business with Dollar Car Rental. It would give me great pleasure if<br />
indeed I could do so, because I was a happy customer before and would like to<br />
know if I could trust your service again in the future.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Rgds,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Evert Vandenberghe</p>
<p>Dollar Expres Member: 0100642524</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/anyone-else-experienced-the-gas-gauge-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-30216</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind Gas rip offs,  try false damage claims from AVIS for hundreds of dollars.  I just got back from Germany where I rented a car from AVIS at the Frankfurt airport for 6 hrs. When I returned home I got a bill for $811.  They claimed that they had to repair a 1 in scratch on the bottom of the front bumper.  We had to get down on our hands and Knees to see what looked like a 1 inch surface scratch.  I called AVIS customer service in the US who said they can only provide me with the documentation and have no affiliation to the German Avis and could only offer me the phone number for the Frankfurt rental office.  I am still fighting this case and would like to see a class action suit against this type of false charges.  I am sure other there are may other like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind Gas rip offs,  try false damage claims from AVIS for hundreds of dollars.  I just got back from Germany where I rented a car from AVIS at the Frankfurt airport for 6 hrs. When I returned home I got a bill for $811.  They claimed that they had to repair a 1 in scratch on the bottom of the front bumper.  We had to get down on our hands and Knees to see what looked like a 1 inch surface scratch.  I called AVIS customer service in the US who said they can only provide me with the documentation and have no affiliation to the German Avis and could only offer me the phone number for the Frankfurt rental office.  I am still fighting this case and would like to see a class action suit against this type of false charges.  I am sure other there are may other like me.</p>
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		<title>By: Online Car Insurance &#62;&#62; http://onlinecarinsuranceclaims.com/</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/anyone-else-experienced-the-gas-gauge-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-27619</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Car Insurance &#62;&#62; http://onlinecarinsuranceclaims.com/</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amanda84</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is kind of the same thing, only in reverse.  National gave me a car (which I got to pick from the line up), I put all my stuff in and turned on the car, and wouldn&#039;t you know it, it was about 1/8 of a tank short.  I didn&#039;t want to go on a search to find a car that was all the way on the F line, so when I left I asked the guy at the checkout station, and he said that it was considered to be full.  

Now I was in town for an interview and only needed the car for a day and I was not going very far, plus the company I was interviewing with was paying for the rental, but I digress.  I stopped to fill up the tank when I was on my way back to the airport and I put in 5 gallons, 5 gallons!  My drive from the airport to the interview site was maybe a 30 mile round trip, and I was driving a compact car.  I know if I had returned the car with the 1/8 missing from the tank I would have (well the company) payed through the nose to fill it up.  I was very irritated, and I will not rent from National if I need to rent it for personal use.  

I did e-mail HR of the company I was interviewing with to know what happened, and they seemed quite apathetic, but thanked me for my concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kind of the same thing, only in reverse.  National gave me a car (which I got to pick from the line up), I put all my stuff in and turned on the car, and wouldn&#8217;t you know it, it was about 1/8 of a tank short.  I didn&#8217;t want to go on a search to find a car that was all the way on the F line, so when I left I asked the guy at the checkout station, and he said that it was considered to be full.  </p>
<p>Now I was in town for an interview and only needed the car for a day and I was not going very far, plus the company I was interviewing with was paying for the rental, but I digress.  I stopped to fill up the tank when I was on my way back to the airport and I put in 5 gallons, 5 gallons!  My drive from the airport to the interview site was maybe a 30 mile round trip, and I was driving a compact car.  I know if I had returned the car with the 1/8 missing from the tank I would have (well the company) payed through the nose to fill it up.  I was very irritated, and I will not rent from National if I need to rent it for personal use.  </p>
<p>I did e-mail HR of the company I was interviewing with to know what happened, and they seemed quite apathetic, but thanked me for my concern.</p>
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		<title>By: kg2v</title>
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		<dc:creator>kg2v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had a fun one last summer - fun in a good way (and yeah, I&#039;ve been hit with the gas &#039;fee&#039; a few times)

I was traveling to NM, and I forget wich of the big 3 I rented from, but I had reserved one class of car, and about 2 weeks before the trip realized &#039;I really need the next size up&#039; - they wanted a fairly large fee to change my reservation

I get to the airport, planning on asking for the larger size, and seeing what I could get, when I got the usual &quot;upsell&quot; sales speach - offering me the next size up at less than 1/2 the daily rate the web site had wanted, plus no &#039;change fee&#039; - I looked at the guy, smiled, and said, &quot;Sure, I&#039;ll let you get the upsell&quot; - and he gave me a discounted refuel (to keep it on topic) option.

Sometimes, YOU can game the system</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually had a fun one last summer &#8211; fun in a good way (and yeah, I&#8217;ve been hit with the gas &#8216;fee&#8217; a few times)</p>
<p>I was traveling to NM, and I forget wich of the big 3 I rented from, but I had reserved one class of car, and about 2 weeks before the trip realized &#8216;I really need the next size up&#8217; &#8211; they wanted a fairly large fee to change my reservation</p>
<p>I get to the airport, planning on asking for the larger size, and seeing what I could get, when I got the usual &#8220;upsell&#8221; sales speach &#8211; offering me the next size up at less than 1/2 the daily rate the web site had wanted, plus no &#8216;change fee&#8217; &#8211; I looked at the guy, smiled, and said, &#8220;Sure, I&#8217;ll let you get the upsell&#8221; &#8211; and he gave me a discounted refuel (to keep it on topic) option.</p>
<p>Sometimes, YOU can game the system</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen Eaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Eaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If rental companies want to represent themselves as not scamming people on fuel, why isn&#039;t each car returned topped off by the rental company immediately and the top-off amount noted on the customer&#039;s return sheet.  That may not be the way they are organized to do it now, but how they organize returns and refueling is their choice.  One writer who worked for a car rental agency spoke of tanks being topped off after the cars are washed to ensure that the next customer gets a full tank.  If that can be done at one agency, it can be done at all of them and it can be done when the cars arrive rather than after a wash.  

By so doing, there wouldn&#039;t be any question of idiocyncratic fuel guages or whether or not the top-off charges imposed later were kept as profit rather than used to actually ensure each renter gets a full tank.  A receipt could be produced on the spot showing how much gas had been required for each vehicle making disputes unsupportable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If rental companies want to represent themselves as not scamming people on fuel, why isn&#8217;t each car returned topped off by the rental company immediately and the top-off amount noted on the customer&#8217;s return sheet.  That may not be the way they are organized to do it now, but how they organize returns and refueling is their choice.  One writer who worked for a car rental agency spoke of tanks being topped off after the cars are washed to ensure that the next customer gets a full tank.  If that can be done at one agency, it can be done at all of them and it can be done when the cars arrive rather than after a wash.  </p>
<p>By so doing, there wouldn&#8217;t be any question of idiocyncratic fuel guages or whether or not the top-off charges imposed later were kept as profit rather than used to actually ensure each renter gets a full tank.  A receipt could be produced on the spot showing how much gas had been required for each vehicle making disputes unsupportable.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a scam at Chevron , Travel Center, 13188 Main Street, Hesperia, California.

The scam is not in the price gauging but in how they have programmed the pay at the pump.  I was there enroute returning to Las Vegas and did the usual swipe and fill up. The price came to $22.30.  A day later I was at home posting the receipt and noticed a &quot;prepaid&quot; amount of $25 - &quot;see cahsier for refund&quot;.

Altho&#039; I only consumed $22.30, and had driven off, I was not able to drive all the way back for the  $2.70 refund...they had charged me $25! NO WHERE HAVE I EVER BEEN charged an automatioc PREPAID at the pump ...this is done for cash payers inside!

Someone is skimming the difference. PLEASE INVESTIGATE AND GO TO THE PRESS.


Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a scam at Chevron , Travel Center, 13188 Main Street, Hesperia, California.</p>
<p>The scam is not in the price gauging but in how they have programmed the pay at the pump.  I was there enroute returning to Las Vegas and did the usual swipe and fill up. The price came to $22.30.  A day later I was at home posting the receipt and noticed a &#8220;prepaid&#8221; amount of $25 &#8211; &#8220;see cahsier for refund&#8221;.</p>
<p>Altho&#8217; I only consumed $22.30, and had driven off, I was not able to drive all the way back for the  $2.70 refund&#8230;they had charged me $25! NO WHERE HAVE I EVER BEEN charged an automatioc PREPAID at the pump &#8230;this is done for cash payers inside!</p>
<p>Someone is skimming the difference. PLEASE INVESTIGATE AND GO TO THE PRESS.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rented a car from budget in Orlando last weekend.  I recieved a letter in the mail today telling me that they were charging my credit card for two gallons of fuel at $6.99 a gallon.  I filled the tank up at a gas station right at the airort entrance (with a hefty convienance fee I might add).  I returned the car and offered the receipt to the guy checking the car in.  He replied that he did not need the receipt because the tank was &quot;clearly full&quot;.  I was very surprised to receive the notice that they were charging me.  I called to compain and they asked me to fax the receipt.  I told them that I was very frustrated because I had offered them the receipt when I turned in the car and they told me that they didn&#039;t need it.  They say that they will remove the charges within 72 hours of receiving the receipt, but we will see.  I will never rent from Budget again, since I have never had this problem with other companies I have rented from.  I feel like they are stealing from me since I was so careful to return the car witha full tank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rented a car from budget in Orlando last weekend.  I recieved a letter in the mail today telling me that they were charging my credit card for two gallons of fuel at $6.99 a gallon.  I filled the tank up at a gas station right at the airort entrance (with a hefty convienance fee I might add).  I returned the car and offered the receipt to the guy checking the car in.  He replied that he did not need the receipt because the tank was &#8220;clearly full&#8221;.  I was very surprised to receive the notice that they were charging me.  I called to compain and they asked me to fax the receipt.  I told them that I was very frustrated because I had offered them the receipt when I turned in the car and they told me that they didn&#8217;t need it.  They say that they will remove the charges within 72 hours of receiving the receipt, but we will see.  I will never rent from Budget again, since I have never had this problem with other companies I have rented from.  I feel like they are stealing from me since I was so careful to return the car witha full tank.</p>
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		<title>By: Appanage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Appanage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be putting my money on Hertz so fast.  That pulled this junk on me last week, and then I started talking to colleagues about it.  I found 4 different people who&#039;d been gas scammed by Hertz and none by anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be putting my money on Hertz so fast.  That pulled this junk on me last week, and then I started talking to colleagues about it.  I found 4 different people who&#8217;d been gas scammed by Hertz and none by anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: kefxb24</title>
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		<dc:creator>kefxb24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just happened to me yesterday with National at ORD. Their receipt shows a refueling surcharge of $14.28 to cover 3 gallons at $4.76/gal. I watched the agent check the fuel gauge and then proceed to assess the fee.

I guess it did not count that I refilled the tank down the street from the rental center, putting in 4.776 gallons at $4.099/gal - and had the receipt to prove it.

I drove a total of 71 miles, so I do not know if this is a common practice for National.

Not only did I complain, but I reported this to our corporate travel department, which forced us to switch to National from Hertz because &quot;we will save money&quot;. Hertz never screwed me like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just happened to me yesterday with National at ORD. Their receipt shows a refueling surcharge of $14.28 to cover 3 gallons at $4.76/gal. I watched the agent check the fuel gauge and then proceed to assess the fee.</p>
<p>I guess it did not count that I refilled the tank down the street from the rental center, putting in 4.776 gallons at $4.099/gal &#8211; and had the receipt to prove it.</p>
<p>I drove a total of 71 miles, so I do not know if this is a common practice for National.</p>
<p>Not only did I complain, but I reported this to our corporate travel department, which forced us to switch to National from Hertz because &#8220;we will save money&#8221;. Hertz never screwed me like that.</p>
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		<title>By: andy crosby</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/anyone-else-experienced-the-gas-gauge-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-13265</link>
		<dc:creator>andy crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this site after wondering how common this was, I had a similar situation with a Uhaul rental this weekend. I drove the van about 17 miles total - thinking that a cargo van with a few hundred pounds in it might get 10mpg, i put in about 2.5 gallons figuring that would put it back to where i started and then some.. in the end i had to put 5 gallons of gas in to make the needle move back to the original position, and it was still slightly shy, although at that point i had two gas reciepts and was somewhat annoyed so i was willing to argue it if they tried to charge me. Everything else about the rental was actually great, the vehicle was in excellent condition and the service was decent...Luckily they didn&#039;t try to charge me either. Still i ended up paying for probably around an extra $15 of gas, which left me wondering if there was some kind of modification they do to the gauge to make it less accurate in this regard. With my own car i always just fill the tank so i&#039;m not sure how common it is to see the needle move differently for fuel usage rather than filling, perhaps there is a pressure issue there or something but..after seeing this site, the cynic in me says they set it up deliberately..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this site after wondering how common this was, I had a similar situation with a Uhaul rental this weekend. I drove the van about 17 miles total &#8211; thinking that a cargo van with a few hundred pounds in it might get 10mpg, i put in about 2.5 gallons figuring that would put it back to where i started and then some.. in the end i had to put 5 gallons of gas in to make the needle move back to the original position, and it was still slightly shy, although at that point i had two gas reciepts and was somewhat annoyed so i was willing to argue it if they tried to charge me. Everything else about the rental was actually great, the vehicle was in excellent condition and the service was decent&#8230;Luckily they didn&#8217;t try to charge me either. Still i ended up paying for probably around an extra $15 of gas, which left me wondering if there was some kind of modification they do to the gauge to make it less accurate in this regard. With my own car i always just fill the tank so i&#8217;m not sure how common it is to see the needle move differently for fuel usage rather than filling, perhaps there is a pressure issue there or something but..after seeing this site, the cynic in me says they set it up deliberately..</p>
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		<title>By: Francois Piche</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/anyone-else-experienced-the-gas-gauge-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-12280</link>
		<dc:creator>Francois Piche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 00:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never notice the gas scam, but will be on the lookout for now on.  Somewhat related, is my latest experience with Hertz.  Business trip arriving at Orange County and returning at LAX.  Not only did the rental car company charge a relocation fee, but they tagged a $0.40/mile rate on the mileage (500 miles for $200, ouch!).  I inquired about it upon my return in Pittsburgh and the agent told me that when you return the car to a different location the relocation fee and the mileage fee get added.  At least they refunded the charge for the GPS unit, as the agent had told me that the car had GPS in it, but failed to mention that that would be extra.

The whole travel industry (hotel, airline, car rental, etc...) seem to be controlled by a bunch of former telephone company executives considering how my bills are filled up with extra fees etc...  This whole idea of fees for everything as a way of tailoring the product to the customer needs is only annoying the customer and is borderline immoral business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never notice the gas scam, but will be on the lookout for now on.  Somewhat related, is my latest experience with Hertz.  Business trip arriving at Orange County and returning at LAX.  Not only did the rental car company charge a relocation fee, but they tagged a $0.40/mile rate on the mileage (500 miles for $200, ouch!).  I inquired about it upon my return in Pittsburgh and the agent told me that when you return the car to a different location the relocation fee and the mileage fee get added.  At least they refunded the charge for the GPS unit, as the agent had told me that the car had GPS in it, but failed to mention that that would be extra.</p>
<p>The whole travel industry (hotel, airline, car rental, etc&#8230;) seem to be controlled by a bunch of former telephone company executives considering how my bills are filled up with extra fees etc&#8230;  This whole idea of fees for everything as a way of tailoring the product to the customer needs is only annoying the customer and is borderline immoral business.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/anyone-else-experienced-the-gas-gauge-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-12062</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former agent with a major rental car company, I have dealt with many of these complaints and concerns - most of which are legit, but others that lack common sense and a cordial consumer/provider relationship. The most common complaint that concerned refueling came from customers that drove &quot;only a few miles&quot; - which depending on which location you rent from, could be anywhere from 5-30 miles. Customers that drove anywhere from 5-10 miles could and would lie about refueling the vehicle since the gas gauge did not appear to move. Personally, I cannot blame those who don&#039;t refuel when gauge does not move, but I also think of the next person who rents the same vehicle. The next customer may only drive a mile or two before the gauge moves, then (depending on the customer) he/she claims the car was not full at the time of rental - which, technically is true. So who is responsible for the missing gallon(s)? Common sense would tell you that the customer who lied about refueling would be subject to charge. Ironically, 8 out of 10 renters who &quot;only drive a few miles&quot; are same customers that get upset when charged the fuel penalty. So who wins? With fuel prices, as outrageous as they are, even large rental companies would not be able to afford to provide every customer with a couple of gallons of free gas - especially those companies that may say Hertz or Avis at the counter, but are privately owned by someone in the community (usually found in smaller cities). Please understand that every rental counter - even within the same company - may be run a little differently than the next. Some managers may want to charge for every nick and scratch while others may overlook some damage in order to keep the customer loyal. The same theory applies to gas charges. As far as any fees are concerned, generally they are associated with the state you are renting from. Fees and surcharges can range from anything from road repair to costs associated with building a new stadium for a major sports team. I have traveled many places since my days as a rental agent and I have never come across a fee associated with tire disposal or anything to do with licensing the actual rental car. Maybe I have just been lucky. Maybe I know what to look for, but I ALWAYS read the terms of the rental agreement before I leave the lot. People get scammed every single day because of ignorance. We have enough to worry about when it comes to false charges, but there would not be a car rental business if everything wasn&#039;t stated in black and white on the contract/rental jacket. Lawsuits would be phenomenal. Please keep these two words in mind - Courtesy and Common Sense. They will get you farther than you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former agent with a major rental car company, I have dealt with many of these complaints and concerns &#8211; most of which are legit, but others that lack common sense and a cordial consumer/provider relationship. The most common complaint that concerned refueling came from customers that drove &#8220;only a few miles&#8221; &#8211; which depending on which location you rent from, could be anywhere from 5-30 miles. Customers that drove anywhere from 5-10 miles could and would lie about refueling the vehicle since the gas gauge did not appear to move. Personally, I cannot blame those who don&#8217;t refuel when gauge does not move, but I also think of the next person who rents the same vehicle. The next customer may only drive a mile or two before the gauge moves, then (depending on the customer) he/she claims the car was not full at the time of rental &#8211; which, technically is true. So who is responsible for the missing gallon(s)? Common sense would tell you that the customer who lied about refueling would be subject to charge. Ironically, 8 out of 10 renters who &#8220;only drive a few miles&#8221; are same customers that get upset when charged the fuel penalty. So who wins? With fuel prices, as outrageous as they are, even large rental companies would not be able to afford to provide every customer with a couple of gallons of free gas &#8211; especially those companies that may say Hertz or Avis at the counter, but are privately owned by someone in the community (usually found in smaller cities). Please understand that every rental counter &#8211; even within the same company &#8211; may be run a little differently than the next. Some managers may want to charge for every nick and scratch while others may overlook some damage in order to keep the customer loyal. The same theory applies to gas charges. As far as any fees are concerned, generally they are associated with the state you are renting from. Fees and surcharges can range from anything from road repair to costs associated with building a new stadium for a major sports team. I have traveled many places since my days as a rental agent and I have never come across a fee associated with tire disposal or anything to do with licensing the actual rental car. Maybe I have just been lucky. Maybe I know what to look for, but I ALWAYS read the terms of the rental agreement before I leave the lot. People get scammed every single day because of ignorance. We have enough to worry about when it comes to false charges, but there would not be a car rental business if everything wasn&#8217;t stated in black and white on the contract/rental jacket. Lawsuits would be phenomenal. Please keep these two words in mind &#8211; Courtesy and Common Sense. They will get you farther than you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/anyone-else-experienced-the-gas-gauge-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-11857</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These scams are getting more and more lengthy to straighten out! Just 2 weeks ago I rented from Budget and showed my gas top-up receipt when returning the car and was issued a receipt from Budget reflecting my internet rate plus loads of add on fees?? I decided to check my credit card receipt on line just today and found in addition to my higher car rental rate, they added another charge for an additional $12. This took me several phone calls to find out what the extra chg was for and was told it was for not returning the car with a full tank. I luckily saved my petrol receipt and told them I wanted it all cleared and they did without questioning - I only wonder for those who do not check their credit card statements thoroughly who else gets fooled and as I said this was a totally seperate charge from the car rental. There must be someone who can go to bat for the small guys because I am sure MANY trustworthy folk are getting royally ripped off! On another note, Enterprise once said they couldn&#039;t issue me a drop off receipt since it orginated from another office and sure enough the next month I was charged for double the days I had the car! This took me several international phone calls to sort and many promises from Management they would reverse the charges and it took ages for them to do so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These scams are getting more and more lengthy to straighten out! Just 2 weeks ago I rented from Budget and showed my gas top-up receipt when returning the car and was issued a receipt from Budget reflecting my internet rate plus loads of add on fees?? I decided to check my credit card receipt on line just today and found in addition to my higher car rental rate, they added another charge for an additional $12. This took me several phone calls to find out what the extra chg was for and was told it was for not returning the car with a full tank. I luckily saved my petrol receipt and told them I wanted it all cleared and they did without questioning &#8211; I only wonder for those who do not check their credit card statements thoroughly who else gets fooled and as I said this was a totally seperate charge from the car rental. There must be someone who can go to bat for the small guys because I am sure MANY trustworthy folk are getting royally ripped off! On another note, Enterprise once said they couldn&#8217;t issue me a drop off receipt since it orginated from another office and sure enough the next month I was charged for double the days I had the car! This took me several international phone calls to sort and many promises from Management they would reverse the charges and it took ages for them to do so!</p>
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