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		<title>By: Trent880</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/an-open-letter-to-airlines-when-is-enough-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-13519</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent880</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what&#039;s worse...the airlines&#039; letter to consumers and rant against speculation (never mind all of them have some kind of fuel hedge in place) or Bob&#039;s letter &quot;I&#039;m REAL mad but I have no idea what I&#039;m talking about, what exactly I&#039;m mad about, or what the solution is, but we gotta do SOMETHING&quot;.  Both of these are exactly what gets us into hasty, incompetent government regulation (We&#039;re mad; we gotta do something!  We&#039;ll work out the details later.)  Of course the government profits handsomely from every gallon of gasoline sold but that&#039;s a whole &#039;nother ball of wax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s worse&#8230;the airlines&#8217; letter to consumers and rant against speculation (never mind all of them have some kind of fuel hedge in place) or Bob&#8217;s letter &#8220;I&#8217;m REAL mad but I have no idea what I&#8217;m talking about, what exactly I&#8217;m mad about, or what the solution is, but we gotta do SOMETHING&#8221;.  Both of these are exactly what gets us into hasty, incompetent government regulation (We&#8217;re mad; we gotta do something!  We&#8217;ll work out the details later.)  Of course the government profits handsomely from every gallon of gasoline sold but that&#8217;s a whole &#8216;nother ball of wax.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Kuhlmann</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/an-open-letter-to-airlines-when-is-enough-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-13503</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Kuhlmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 20:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My complaint is not that travel costs more. I don&#039;t especially like seeing airfares rise, but I understand the necessity. What I fail to understand is the seeming inability to provide friendly and involved service, irrespective of the cost. What I most dislike about the current situation is paying more for continued rude and indifferent treatment. As Tony Tyler said at a recent industry gathering, &quot;What is the cost of a smile?&quot;

The boarding announcements often begin with the reminder that &quot;we are primarily here for your safety&quot;--an oblique way of saying that unless we&#039;re in flames, I&#039;d really like to be undisturbed as I chat with my colleagues or read my magazine. This is certainly a blanket statement--and often untrue--but that it should be true so often is a clear indication of just how far service standards have fallen. 

Some staff also seem to have decided that they are also arbiters of behavior as well. We all know that children can be unpredictable, even in cases where the parents are doing their best. We also know that some parents don&#039;t try very hard to limit their kids. Nonetheless, how many restaurants or hotels throw people out based on a young child&#039;s demeanor? Very often, the norm in other venues is to ask how one might be of service to help, but that apparently is no longer the case for many airline staff since threats take so much less personal involvement.

On some American carriers, the use of the toilet by the cockpit crew is preceded by the erection of a barricade of food trolleys and a flight attendant on guard. Given the fact that one of the things we learned on September 11 was that once passengers perceive a threat, they will be a first line of defense, this seems to be a poor course of action. Nonetheless, carriers often treat their passengers as threats rather than allies, building additional roadblocks in the client relationships. 

In short, I will not be driven from flying by higher prices but rather by rudeness, intolerance and poor attitudes. And those things, Mr. CEOs, you can fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My complaint is not that travel costs more. I don&#8217;t especially like seeing airfares rise, but I understand the necessity. What I fail to understand is the seeming inability to provide friendly and involved service, irrespective of the cost. What I most dislike about the current situation is paying more for continued rude and indifferent treatment. As Tony Tyler said at a recent industry gathering, &#8220;What is the cost of a smile?&#8221;</p>
<p>The boarding announcements often begin with the reminder that &#8220;we are primarily here for your safety&#8221;&#8211;an oblique way of saying that unless we&#8217;re in flames, I&#8217;d really like to be undisturbed as I chat with my colleagues or read my magazine. This is certainly a blanket statement&#8211;and often untrue&#8211;but that it should be true so often is a clear indication of just how far service standards have fallen. </p>
<p>Some staff also seem to have decided that they are also arbiters of behavior as well. We all know that children can be unpredictable, even in cases where the parents are doing their best. We also know that some parents don&#8217;t try very hard to limit their kids. Nonetheless, how many restaurants or hotels throw people out based on a young child&#8217;s demeanor? Very often, the norm in other venues is to ask how one might be of service to help, but that apparently is no longer the case for many airline staff since threats take so much less personal involvement.</p>
<p>On some American carriers, the use of the toilet by the cockpit crew is preceded by the erection of a barricade of food trolleys and a flight attendant on guard. Given the fact that one of the things we learned on September 11 was that once passengers perceive a threat, they will be a first line of defense, this seems to be a poor course of action. Nonetheless, carriers often treat their passengers as threats rather than allies, building additional roadblocks in the client relationships. </p>
<p>In short, I will not be driven from flying by higher prices but rather by rudeness, intolerance and poor attitudes. And those things, Mr. CEOs, you can fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rosenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/an-open-letter-to-airlines-when-is-enough-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-13462</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rosenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m lucky enough to live in Los Angeles where there are many things one can do without taking a flight. After reading that whiney, error-filled letter from the airlines, my wife and I decided NO MORE FLIGHTS. So now we&#039;re taking a wonderful cruise that departs from San Pedro. Next vacation, we&#039;ll drive 3-4 hrs each way to Las Vegas. We can visit Disneyland, the San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park, SeaWorld, the Santa Monica Pier, etc. If there&#039;s a way to do what we want to do without flying, we&#039;re gonna do it!

What about people who live in places where the attractions aren&#039;t as numerous or convenient? I have no answer other than we got along quite nicely for many years without cell phones in movie theatres. Non sequitor? Sorry  :)  It&#039;s a way of saying sarcastically, &quot;how did we ever survive without airplanes!?!&quot; I think we did just fine, and if we all choose not to fly, we&#039;ll still be fine.

My company does not fly our people anywhere anymore. We&#039;ve got ooVoo for video conferencing, Skype for teleconferencing, and Outlook for written communication and scheduling. It&#039;s really too bad that I may not see some of my clients face-to-face for many years, but they don&#039;t want to fly either, and they really appreciate how well we communicate in lieu of in-person contact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m lucky enough to live in Los Angeles where there are many things one can do without taking a flight. After reading that whiney, error-filled letter from the airlines, my wife and I decided NO MORE FLIGHTS. So now we&#8217;re taking a wonderful cruise that departs from San Pedro. Next vacation, we&#8217;ll drive 3-4 hrs each way to Las Vegas. We can visit Disneyland, the San Diego Zoo and Wild Animal Park, SeaWorld, the Santa Monica Pier, etc. If there&#8217;s a way to do what we want to do without flying, we&#8217;re gonna do it!</p>
<p>What about people who live in places where the attractions aren&#8217;t as numerous or convenient? I have no answer other than we got along quite nicely for many years without cell phones in movie theatres. Non sequitor? Sorry  :)  It&#8217;s a way of saying sarcastically, &#8220;how did we ever survive without airplanes!?!&#8221; I think we did just fine, and if we all choose not to fly, we&#8217;ll still be fine.</p>
<p>My company does not fly our people anywhere anymore. We&#8217;ve got ooVoo for video conferencing, Skype for teleconferencing, and Outlook for written communication and scheduling. It&#8217;s really too bad that I may not see some of my clients face-to-face for many years, but they don&#8217;t want to fly either, and they really appreciate how well we communicate in lieu of in-person contact.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Fiermonte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Fiermonte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A summary of the airlines&#039; open letter to customers:

Bill the Cat:  Aaack!
Mrs. Fletcher from the &quot;life alert&quot; commercial:  Help!  I&quot;ve fallen and I can&#039;t get up.
My bathroom:  (the sound of flushing)
My 6 year old:  How do planes fly?  My answer:  Customers, dude.  Customers.

Cheers, -Big Daddy Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A summary of the airlines&#8217; open letter to customers:</p>
<p>Bill the Cat:  Aaack!<br />
Mrs. Fletcher from the &#8220;life alert&#8221; commercial:  Help!  I&#8221;ve fallen and I can&#8217;t get up.<br />
My bathroom:  (the sound of flushing)<br />
My 6 year old:  How do planes fly?  My answer:  Customers, dude.  Customers.</p>
<p>Cheers, -Big Daddy Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Okser</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/an-open-letter-to-airlines-when-is-enough-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-13452</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian Okser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have stated in response to other blogs no one can blame the airlines for raising their fares. A large percentage of an airlines expenses is directly related to their fuel costs and this price has gone up exponentially over the course of the last five years. 

HOWEVER, I do not wish to see a raise in fares through &#039;nickeling and diming&#039; the customers. There are plenty of airlines out there who are not raising their fees and are still earning a profit.

The reason a customer used to fly an airline such as American or United was for a certain guarantee about the level of service. You assume that if you fly a name brand airline then you will be treated like a value customer. However with the new added fees we are receiving a discount airlines level of service for a premium price. If thats the level of service I want, I will pay for it, but I will pay the budget airline fare which is often a fraction of the cost of the big airlines.

I continue my point by showing that many budget airline who charge under $75 for round trip flights with all added fees and taxes are still turning larger profits than the major carriers. The only answer to this can be mismanagement by the airlines and not as a direct relation to oil speculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have stated in response to other blogs no one can blame the airlines for raising their fares. A large percentage of an airlines expenses is directly related to their fuel costs and this price has gone up exponentially over the course of the last five years. </p>
<p>HOWEVER, I do not wish to see a raise in fares through &#8216;nickeling and diming&#8217; the customers. There are plenty of airlines out there who are not raising their fees and are still earning a profit.</p>
<p>The reason a customer used to fly an airline such as American or United was for a certain guarantee about the level of service. You assume that if you fly a name brand airline then you will be treated like a value customer. However with the new added fees we are receiving a discount airlines level of service for a premium price. If thats the level of service I want, I will pay for it, but I will pay the budget airline fare which is often a fraction of the cost of the big airlines.</p>
<p>I continue my point by showing that many budget airline who charge under $75 for round trip flights with all added fees and taxes are still turning larger profits than the major carriers. The only answer to this can be mismanagement by the airlines and not as a direct relation to oil speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: jaxon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t pretend to understand the futures market, but I do know long before the open letter from the airlines, I was hearing about speculators being responsible for as much as 20cents a gallon. At least when I went to the site suggested (and I did email my congresscritters) there were concrete ideas for change -- something I had yet to see. 

I loathe the arilines like everyone else -- flying is just a pain in the rear end these days, and with increasing prices, I am sure I will hate it even more -- but with that said, anything that helps them, helps me, so I did not take the suggestion to write Congress as them whining. 

Wachovia sent out an interesting graph the other day showing demand has been all but steady for over 20 years, but not the price.  I have heard all types of oil execs saying it is not the fundamantals, ie supply and demand, driving this price increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t pretend to understand the futures market, but I do know long before the open letter from the airlines, I was hearing about speculators being responsible for as much as 20cents a gallon. At least when I went to the site suggested (and I did email my congresscritters) there were concrete ideas for change &#8212; something I had yet to see. </p>
<p>I loathe the arilines like everyone else &#8212; flying is just a pain in the rear end these days, and with increasing prices, I am sure I will hate it even more &#8212; but with that said, anything that helps them, helps me, so I did not take the suggestion to write Congress as them whining. </p>
<p>Wachovia sent out an interesting graph the other day showing demand has been all but steady for over 20 years, but not the price.  I have heard all types of oil execs saying it is not the fundamantals, ie supply and demand, driving this price increase.</p>
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		<title>By: CR Jolley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CR Jolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I wish nickel and diming was the extent of their shenanigans.  I just had to pay a &#039;fee&#039; of $150 to cancel a $167 ticket.  The nice person on the other end of the line was delighted that I had $17 to use on my next reservation!

So I went back to United&#039;s web site to see where I had missed that little fact.  It was very easy to find the price of a ticket but the only mention of a penalty for canceling was one buried deep within their web site that said cancellation would mean a small charge.

I went online to find any mention of that steep fee.  Sorry, without being a member of their frequent flier club, it&#039;s not available.

Misleading?  Intentional obfuscation?  You be the judge.

PS: I own my company.  United can keep my $167.  I get to prevent any of my partners and employees from flying United.  Last year&#039;s flights were just over $250,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I wish nickel and diming was the extent of their shenanigans.  I just had to pay a &#8216;fee&#8217; of $150 to cancel a $167 ticket.  The nice person on the other end of the line was delighted that I had $17 to use on my next reservation!</p>
<p>So I went back to United&#8217;s web site to see where I had missed that little fact.  It was very easy to find the price of a ticket but the only mention of a penalty for canceling was one buried deep within their web site that said cancellation would mean a small charge.</p>
<p>I went online to find any mention of that steep fee.  Sorry, without being a member of their frequent flier club, it&#8217;s not available.</p>
<p>Misleading?  Intentional obfuscation?  You be the judge.</p>
<p>PS: I own my company.  United can keep my $167.  I get to prevent any of my partners and employees from flying United.  Last year&#8217;s flights were just over $250,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As angry as I was about the letter, I was impressed that the airlines coordinated enough to somehow stop me from getting the letter 7 times. It proves that they are capable of better customer service, even if they only use it to suit their needs.

Maybe instead of asking consumers to stop oil speculation, they should ask when we&#039;ll be ready to acknowledge that fares need to actually go up rather than nickel-and-diming us on the small stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As angry as I was about the letter, I was impressed that the airlines coordinated enough to somehow stop me from getting the letter 7 times. It proves that they are capable of better customer service, even if they only use it to suit their needs.</p>
<p>Maybe instead of asking consumers to stop oil speculation, they should ask when we&#8217;ll be ready to acknowledge that fares need to actually go up rather than nickel-and-diming us on the small stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Shri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Craig, I know the savings in weight. I am also aware that they wud save money in royalty to be paid to movie production houses. 
My real question is how far will airlines go? Will we have to read the pre-flight instructions printed on ultra-thin plastic sheet because they want to remove the speakers and audio equipment also? Is it going to become mandatory to  visit restrooms before boarding? Do we have to bring our own styrofoam cups to drink $2 water they serve on the plane?(Oh, it&#039;s going to cost you $0.75 extra if you want it cold)  And why do you need that cushion on the armrest?

That&#039;s my real question. How low cud they go to save money so that their managements&#039; payment kitty is not affected?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Craig, I know the savings in weight. I am also aware that they wud save money in royalty to be paid to movie production houses.<br />
My real question is how far will airlines go? Will we have to read the pre-flight instructions printed on ultra-thin plastic sheet because they want to remove the speakers and audio equipment also? Is it going to become mandatory to  visit restrooms before boarding? Do we have to bring our own styrofoam cups to drink $2 water they serve on the plane?(Oh, it&#8217;s going to cost you $0.75 extra if you want it cold)  And why do you need that cushion on the armrest?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my real question. How low cud they go to save money so that their managements&#8217; payment kitty is not affected?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shri - you asked how much fuel would be saved by not showing a movie...You seem to have misread the statement...By removing several hundred pounds of video equipment from each plane, the plane is lighter and uses less fuel for takeoff and cruising (or can haul a couple more paying passengers.) Charging more for luggage does the same thing - fewer people bring a bag, then the plane is lighter (less fuel) or they can haul frieght (US Mail for example) which they can charge for. All of these changes are methods of reducing the amount of fuel used, or bringing in more income to pay for the fuel.

And I second the motion to eliminate bonuses for any industry leader who is whining about loosing money and blaming the other guy. I live on 1/10 of your salary and I get by, so can you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shri &#8211; you asked how much fuel would be saved by not showing a movie&#8230;You seem to have misread the statement&#8230;By removing several hundred pounds of video equipment from each plane, the plane is lighter and uses less fuel for takeoff and cruising (or can haul a couple more paying passengers.) Charging more for luggage does the same thing &#8211; fewer people bring a bag, then the plane is lighter (less fuel) or they can haul frieght (US Mail for example) which they can charge for. All of these changes are methods of reducing the amount of fuel used, or bringing in more income to pay for the fuel.</p>
<p>And I second the motion to eliminate bonuses for any industry leader who is whining about loosing money and blaming the other guy. I live on 1/10 of your salary and I get by, so can you.</p>
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