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		<title>By: So what do you think of being a 1K so far this year? - Page 2 - FlyerTalk Forums</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-91499</link>
		<dc:creator>So what do you think of being a 1K so far this year? - Page 2 - FlyerTalk Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally Posted by zombietooth   I have a 1K friend of mine who was recently sent a letter by the UA that, loosely paraphrased, told him to take his business elsewhere, and that he would never again receive any compensation. His crime: He had complained too many times and had received &quot;excessive compensation&quot;. He showed me the letter (not an email). This is the first such letter like this that I have ever heard of. The letter was not from a normal customer service desk, but from from some special department in Chicago--sorry I can&#039;t remember the name. The letter had a very negative tone and essentially accused my friend of fraud. Now, truth be told, my friend was one of these guys who complained about everything and always had lots of vouchers and discount certs, so he was definitely working the system.  Perhaps the chickens are finally coming home to roost!     Actually, nothing new on UA&#039;s part. I&#039;ve read discussions on FT before where whining pax were asked to go elsewhere. Here&#039;s an article I just googled where a passenger&#039;s account was frozen because of excessive complaints. This is back in 2009 mind you, pre-merger.  http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-...ve-complaints/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by zombietooth   I have a 1K friend of mine who was recently sent a letter by the UA that, loosely paraphrased, told him to take his business elsewhere, and that he would never again receive any compensation. His crime: He had complained too many times and had received &quot;excessive compensation&quot;. He showed me the letter (not an email). This is the first such letter like this that I have ever heard of. The letter was not from a normal customer service desk, but from from some special department in Chicago&#8211;sorry I can&#039;t remember the name. The letter had a very negative tone and essentially accused my friend of fraud. Now, truth be told, my friend was one of these guys who complained about everything and always had lots of vouchers and discount certs, so he was definitely working the system.  Perhaps the chickens are finally coming home to roost!     Actually, nothing new on UA&#039;s part. I&#039;ve read discussions on FT before where whining pax were asked to go elsewhere. Here&#039;s an article I just googled where a passenger&#039;s account was frozen because of excessive complaints. This is back in 2009 mind you, pre-merger.  <a href="http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-...ve-complaints/" rel="nofollow">http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-&#8230;ve-complaints/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Clarke</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-62568</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much time would 200 complaints take?   How much time on hold did he spend doing this?  What did he make per hour for complaining?

Assuming a minimum of 5 minutes per complaint, then he would have spent 16 hours and 40 minutes complaining.  10 minutes each would be 33 hours and 20 minutes complaining.

If you figure those miles are worth $.01 each, then 68.5K worth are $685.  Added to the $5125 in dollar off certificates and he&#039;s up to $5810.

So, without valuing the upgrades and figuring 10 minutes each would mean he&#039;s making $174.47/hour for doing this.  Sounds pretty good.  Until they get taken away.  He could still put together an e-book on &quot;How to Complain for Compensation - and when to STOP.&quot;  I&#039;d be interested in seeing that e-book.

Economy seats with 21 day advance purchase from DEN to SEA are about $250.  $5125 would buy 20.5 of these.  They earn 1024 X 2 miles.  You could earn 41984 EQM from those flights, if they were such that United gave you miles for flights using the certificates.

As has been pointed out, obviously United had problems in their customer service system that Yen exposed.  Instead of freezing his miles, they should give him a bonus for that!  And then have him flagged in the system for reduced compensation for verified issues.  :-)

It is possible that he did actually &quot;earn&quot; over 100K miles in addition to the 68.5K miles for complaints, but had already used some so that when the did adjust his account by 108.5K miles, he had none available for use.

Lessons from this:  Complaining about a real issue in the right way can be lucrative.  Complaining too much gets you in trouble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much time would 200 complaints take?   How much time on hold did he spend doing this?  What did he make per hour for complaining?</p>
<p>Assuming a minimum of 5 minutes per complaint, then he would have spent 16 hours and 40 minutes complaining.  10 minutes each would be 33 hours and 20 minutes complaining.</p>
<p>If you figure those miles are worth $.01 each, then 68.5K worth are $685.  Added to the $5125 in dollar off certificates and he&#8217;s up to $5810.</p>
<p>So, without valuing the upgrades and figuring 10 minutes each would mean he&#8217;s making $174.47/hour for doing this.  Sounds pretty good.  Until they get taken away.  He could still put together an e-book on &#8220;How to Complain for Compensation &#8211; and when to STOP.&#8221;  I&#8217;d be interested in seeing that e-book.</p>
<p>Economy seats with 21 day advance purchase from DEN to SEA are about $250.  $5125 would buy 20.5 of these.  They earn 1024 X 2 miles.  You could earn 41984 EQM from those flights, if they were such that United gave you miles for flights using the certificates.</p>
<p>As has been pointed out, obviously United had problems in their customer service system that Yen exposed.  Instead of freezing his miles, they should give him a bonus for that!  And then have him flagged in the system for reduced compensation for verified issues.  :-)</p>
<p>It is possible that he did actually &#8220;earn&#8221; over 100K miles in addition to the 68.5K miles for complaints, but had already used some so that when the did adjust his account by 108.5K miles, he had none available for use.</p>
<p>Lessons from this:  Complaining about a real issue in the right way can be lucrative.  Complaining too much gets you in trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Have the airlines lost their focus on customer service? &#124; USA Giveaways</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-21853</link>
		<dc:creator>Have the airlines lost their focus on customer service? &#124; USA Giveaways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you were flying on United and had a problem on your flight you could send a letter, send an email or call the customer service desk. The customer service desk was part of the call center in India, and apparently they weren&#8217;t very good at solving customers problems. At least that is the story that United&#8217;s management wants you to believe. Or, it is possible that they were so ignorant that they just gave vouchers and mile credits for anything and everything that someone complained about, like &#8220;this guy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you were flying on United and had a problem on your flight you could send a letter, send an email or call the customer service desk. The customer service desk was part of the call center in India, and apparently they weren&#8217;t very good at solving customers problems. At least that is the story that United&#8217;s management wants you to believe. Or, it is possible that they were so ignorant that they just gave vouchers and mile credits for anything and everything that someone complained about, like &#8220;this guy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Have the airlines lost their focus on customer service? &#124; Industry Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-21328</link>
		<dc:creator>Have the airlines lost their focus on customer service? &#124; Industry Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you were flying on United and had a problem on your flight you could send a letter, send an email or call the customer service desk. The customer service desk was part of the call center in India, and apparently they weren&#8217;t very good at solving customers problems. At least that is the story that United&#8217;s management wants you to believe. Or, it is possible that they were so ignorant that they just gave vouchers and mile credits for anything and everything that someone complained about, like &#8220;this guy. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you were flying on United and had a problem on your flight you could send a letter, send an email or call the customer service desk. The customer service desk was part of the call center in India, and apparently they weren&#8217;t very good at solving customers problems. At least that is the story that United&#8217;s management wants you to believe. Or, it is possible that they were so ignorant that they just gave vouchers and mile credits for anything and everything that someone complained about, like &#8220;this guy. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-19306</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 01:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Chris,
Seriously, I know you are a consumer advocate, and at least on TV portray all the airlines as evil do-ers, but sometimes the customers do wrong. Wake up! Let&#039;s get on to some meaningful topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Chris,<br />
Seriously, I know you are a consumer advocate, and at least on TV portray all the airlines as evil do-ers, but sometimes the customers do wrong. Wake up! Let&#8217;s get on to some meaningful topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-19281</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do I get all those free things from UA when they screw me around?  Seems like I give up to fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do I get all those free things from UA when they screw me around?  Seems like I give up to fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathay Pacific apologises to a female traveller who threw a tantrum at Hong Kong airp - The Australian Frequent Flyer Online Community</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-17884</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathay Pacific apologises to a female traveller who threw a tantrum at Hong Kong airp - The Australian Frequent Flyer Online Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 07:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Hong Kong     Absolutely ridiculous. However dont go down the complaints pathway with United- elliott.org &#124; Airline freezes passenger&#8217;s mileage account after &#8220;disturbing&#8221; numbe... &quot;Since your Mileage Plus enrollment last year, you have engaged in a number of communications [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at Hong Kong     Absolutely ridiculous. However dont go down the complaints pathway with United- elliott.org | Airline freezes passenger&#8217;s mileage account after &#8220;disturbing&#8221; numbe&#8230; &quot;Since your Mileage Plus enrollment last year, you have engaged in a number of communications [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-17466</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it&#039;s true United obviously needs a better system of checks to prevent the misuse of their compensation system, the main question remains:

Why would Mr. Yen give repeat business to an airline that he felt had given him so many problems as to necessitate 200 phone calls in such a short time frame if he wasn&#039;t purposefully exploiting the loopholes he&#039;d discovered with UA&#039;s good faith attempts to retain him as a happy customer? 

Also, does Mr. Yen dispute that many of his miles were accrued via duplicate compensation for issues UA had already resolved with him, as UA contends in their letter?

Ask yourself honestly people - if you had to complain 200 times in six months to any company, would you still choose do business with them? Short of Mr. Yen figuring out how to exploit the system for freebies, I can&#039;t think of any other reason he would continue to do business with UA if he felt so strongly that they treated him so poorly as to require 200 complaints.

He played the system and he got caught. That&#039;s his own fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it&#8217;s true United obviously needs a better system of checks to prevent the misuse of their compensation system, the main question remains:</p>
<p>Why would Mr. Yen give repeat business to an airline that he felt had given him so many problems as to necessitate 200 phone calls in such a short time frame if he wasn&#8217;t purposefully exploiting the loopholes he&#8217;d discovered with UA&#8217;s good faith attempts to retain him as a happy customer? </p>
<p>Also, does Mr. Yen dispute that many of his miles were accrued via duplicate compensation for issues UA had already resolved with him, as UA contends in their letter?</p>
<p>Ask yourself honestly people &#8211; if you had to complain 200 times in six months to any company, would you still choose do business with them? Short of Mr. Yen figuring out how to exploit the system for freebies, I can&#8217;t think of any other reason he would continue to do business with UA if he felt so strongly that they treated him so poorly as to require 200 complaints.</p>
<p>He played the system and he got caught. That&#8217;s his own fault.</p>
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		<title>By: CK</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-17461</link>
		<dc:creator>CK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of the posters in that this guy was a scammer and giving legitimate complainers a bad name.
The confusion about what miles were frozen and why he didn&#039;t have access to those unfrozen miles might be explained by the fact that he was trying to claim a larger mileage award.  In other words, he had 24K + unfrozen miles plus the 68K frozen miles.  If he only tried to awards that were more than 25K miles and was unable to do so, he would have the perception that he couldn&#039;t use &quot;any&quot; of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of the posters in that this guy was a scammer and giving legitimate complainers a bad name.<br />
The confusion about what miles were frozen and why he didn&#8217;t have access to those unfrozen miles might be explained by the fact that he was trying to claim a larger mileage award.  In other words, he had 24K + unfrozen miles plus the 68K frozen miles.  If he only tried to awards that were more than 25K miles and was unable to do so, he would have the perception that he couldn&#8217;t use &#8220;any&#8221; of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-17458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to UA for cracking down on this kind of abuse. And Kudos to Elliot for exposing him. People like Yen make travel more expensive for the rest  of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to UA for cracking down on this kind of abuse. And Kudos to Elliot for exposing him. People like Yen make travel more expensive for the rest  of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Carlin</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-17456</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Carlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - is this a joke? I&#039;ve been flying 200+ segments per year for a decade with AA and can count my complaints on one hand. This guy logged 200 complaints in 6 months! UA would do themselves a favor by putting this guy on the no fly list asap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; is this a joke? I&#8217;ve been flying 200+ segments per year for a decade with AA and can count my complaints on one hand. This guy logged 200 complaints in 6 months! UA would do themselves a favor by putting this guy on the no fly list asap.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Womack</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-17455</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Womack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is next, cancelling of all services and blacklisting for just 10 complaints? 5? 2? 1? Just wait...before you know it we will be in customer service concentration camps and our economic lives will be &quot;voided&quot; or &quot;cancelled&quot; blocked from being able to buy anything anywhere when all corporations start jointly sharing &quot;complaint&quot; databases on us, just like credit card companies engaged in &quot;universal default&quot;.  You complained at the grocery store?  Ope!  That airline ticket will cost you $200 additional now...and SORRY, we just ran out of seats!  Have a nice day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is next, cancelling of all services and blacklisting for just 10 complaints? 5? 2? 1? Just wait&#8230;before you know it we will be in customer service concentration camps and our economic lives will be &#8220;voided&#8221; or &#8220;cancelled&#8221; blocked from being able to buy anything anywhere when all corporations start jointly sharing &#8220;complaint&#8221; databases on us, just like credit card companies engaged in &#8220;universal default&#8221;.  You complained at the grocery store?  Ope!  That airline ticket will cost you $200 additional now&#8230;and SORRY, we just ran out of seats!  Have a nice day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GB</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-17425</link>
		<dc:creator>GB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me respect UA even more.  I&#039;m glad to see that they are doing something about the 1% of their customers that cause 99% of the complaints!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me respect UA even more.  I&#8217;m glad to see that they are doing something about the 1% of their customers that cause 99% of the complaints!</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/airline-freezes-passengers-mileage-account-after-excessive-complaints/comment-page-1/#comment-17413</link>
		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am starting to think that giving people perks to make up for shortcomings in customer service is the wrong way to go.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That depends on what those shortcomings are in each and every case. Some are justified while others aren&#039;t, but some people still demand businesses compensate them for those that weren&#039;t in their complete control to fix.

True story: a customer booked for a hotel room online. The page stated every applicable rule.

The customer called a few days later and complained to a fellow travel agent we didn&#039;t &quot;notify&quot; him the hotel won&#039;t accept him because he was below the minimum 21-age rule. He demanded some form of compensation for what he &lt;i&gt;perceived&lt;/i&gt; was our fault, and that&#039;s inspite of the page stating that age bit to begin with.

The agent, burdened with meeting his center&#039;s targets, had &quot;apologized&quot; for what happened and gave him a coupon for his next hotel reservation. Off the customer went.

When I took his call a day or two after that, he complained he couldn&#039;t get the coupon to work. I honestly thought this guy didn&#039;t deserve the coupon upon reading the circumstances of his original issue, but...I had little to no choice but to follow through on the coupon and fix it as he &quot;threatened&quot; to go to the media about that.

Naturally this created a dilemma: many of us are familiar with the &quot;customer is always right&quot; motto. Many of us surely want to please our customers, but it can potentially unrealistic expectations that possibly and unfairly burden businesses to try accomodating them all.

Like Carver said, there&#039;s plenty of blame to go around. IMHO, the question is what&#039;s one prepared to do if/when that happens.

Looks like United is in this discussion. Is everyone else prepared?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am starting to think that giving people perks to make up for shortcomings in customer service is the wrong way to go.</p></blockquote>
<p>That depends on what those shortcomings are in each and every case. Some are justified while others aren&#8217;t, but some people still demand businesses compensate them for those that weren&#8217;t in their complete control to fix.</p>
<p>True story: a customer booked for a hotel room online. The page stated every applicable rule.</p>
<p>The customer called a few days later and complained to a fellow travel agent we didn&#8217;t &#8220;notify&#8221; him the hotel won&#8217;t accept him because he was below the minimum 21-age rule. He demanded some form of compensation for what he <i>perceived</i> was our fault, and that&#8217;s inspite of the page stating that age bit to begin with.</p>
<p>The agent, burdened with meeting his center&#8217;s targets, had &#8220;apologized&#8221; for what happened and gave him a coupon for his next hotel reservation. Off the customer went.</p>
<p>When I took his call a day or two after that, he complained he couldn&#8217;t get the coupon to work. I honestly thought this guy didn&#8217;t deserve the coupon upon reading the circumstances of his original issue, but&#8230;I had little to no choice but to follow through on the coupon and fix it as he &#8220;threatened&#8221; to go to the media about that.</p>
<p>Naturally this created a dilemma: many of us are familiar with the &#8220;customer is always right&#8221; motto. Many of us surely want to please our customers, but it can potentially unrealistic expectations that possibly and unfairly burden businesses to try accomodating them all.</p>
<p>Like Carver said, there&#8217;s plenty of blame to go around. IMHO, the question is what&#8217;s one prepared to do if/when that happens.</p>
<p>Looks like United is in this discussion. Is everyone else prepared?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 06:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am starting to think that giving people perks to make up for shortcomings in customer service is the wrong way to go.

If someone has a problem that costs them money, that&#039;s one thing, but how about a promise to fix the problem?

I know the last several times I had a problem, I didn&#039;t want money or a free lunch, just for them to fix it and not have to deal with it again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am starting to think that giving people perks to make up for shortcomings in customer service is the wrong way to go.</p>
<p>If someone has a problem that costs them money, that&#8217;s one thing, but how about a promise to fix the problem?</p>
<p>I know the last several times I had a problem, I didn&#8217;t want money or a free lunch, just for them to fix it and not have to deal with it again.</p>
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