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		<title>By: Willow</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-66624</link>
		<dc:creator>Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want my refund..I am so upset!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want my refund..I am so upset!</p>
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		<title>By: Willow</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-66619</link>
		<dc:creator>Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had canceled my card threw spirit airlines before the time of renewal.  When I talked to gentleman he stated that I had canceled my card and my account.  He told me I would not be charged for anything because I had a zero account balance and had NEVER used the card.  A couple of weeks later I received a charge on my credit card stating that I was being charged $60 for the yearly fee.  I called the customer service number and they told me they could not refund the money that I had received an email a month earlier and I had &quot;agreed&quot; to pay the fee.  I talked to representatives and managers for 2 plus hours.  They ended the call by hanging up on me.  It was unreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had canceled my card threw spirit airlines before the time of renewal.  When I talked to gentleman he stated that I had canceled my card and my account.  He told me I would not be charged for anything because I had a zero account balance and had NEVER used the card.  A couple of weeks later I received a charge on my credit card stating that I was being charged $60 for the yearly fee.  I called the customer service number and they told me they could not refund the money that I had received an email a month earlier and I had &#8220;agreed&#8221; to pay the fee.  I talked to representatives and managers for 2 plus hours.  They ended the call by hanging up on me.  It was unreal.</p>
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		<title>By: Mekhong Kurt, Bangkok, Thailand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mekhong Kurt, Bangkok, Thailand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 11:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather -- while I didn&#039;t doubt the assessment of you in this article, that you took the time to chime in is something I find extraordinary -- and wonderful.

Living, as I do, on the other side of the planet, together with rarely getting back to the US, by luck of the draw I&#039;ve never flown your airline.

Next time I&#039;m there, I&#039;ll try to make it a point to do so -- because of you and the unnamed other lady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather &#8212; while I didn&#8217;t doubt the assessment of you in this article, that you took the time to chime in is something I find extraordinary &#8212; and wonderful.</p>
<p>Living, as I do, on the other side of the planet, together with rarely getting back to the US, by luck of the draw I&#8217;ve never flown your airline.</p>
<p>Next time I&#8217;m there, I&#8217;ll try to make it a point to do so &#8212; because of you and the unnamed other lady.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Wanerka</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17940</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Wanerka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last month my husband had fallen down a marble flight of stairs at a hotel in Tortola.  After 20 stitches in his face, our vacation was cut short a week for 4 of us.  We needed to fly home immediately.  Spiritair was very, very accomidating.  Gave us the last 4 seats on the plane.  The other couple that was with us tried to sit in their seats but others had stolen the seats, even though our friends had the correct boarding passes.  No one on Spirit would make these people move out of their seats and that is just WRONG.  When you have numbered boarding passes that should be it.  This is not Southwest.  That part made me mad, but to be fair,  seeing my husband all bandaged up and not able to fit in the tight squeeze seats, they offered him the last 1st class seat up front for free.   We are flying again in a few weeks to San Juan PR, when I saw that Spirit was cheaper than the others that fly there I opted to pay more and stay away from the tight sqeeze seats, (he&#039;s 6&#039;2&quot;), no water, no snacks, and the $15 luggage charge.  But that wasn&#039;t my biggest reason, I don&#039;t want to get on a flight again and be told that my seat is not my seat and allow it to be a free for all.  That is the main reason I don&#039;t fly Southwest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last month my husband had fallen down a marble flight of stairs at a hotel in Tortola.  After 20 stitches in his face, our vacation was cut short a week for 4 of us.  We needed to fly home immediately.  Spiritair was very, very accomidating.  Gave us the last 4 seats on the plane.  The other couple that was with us tried to sit in their seats but others had stolen the seats, even though our friends had the correct boarding passes.  No one on Spirit would make these people move out of their seats and that is just WRONG.  When you have numbered boarding passes that should be it.  This is not Southwest.  That part made me mad, but to be fair,  seeing my husband all bandaged up and not able to fit in the tight squeeze seats, they offered him the last 1st class seat up front for free.   We are flying again in a few weeks to San Juan PR, when I saw that Spirit was cheaper than the others that fly there I opted to pay more and stay away from the tight sqeeze seats, (he&#8217;s 6&#8217;2&#8243;), no water, no snacks, and the $15 luggage charge.  But that wasn&#8217;t my biggest reason, I don&#8217;t want to get on a flight again and be told that my seat is not my seat and allow it to be a free for all.  That is the main reason I don&#8217;t fly Southwest.</p>
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		<title>By: Doreen Szeles</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17892</link>
		<dc:creator>Doreen Szeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a short note to say does the term &quot;she&quot;  have anything to do with the compassion that was displayed to this gentleman.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a short note to say does the term &#8220;she&#8221;  have anything to do with the compassion that was displayed to this gentleman.?</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Bator</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17888</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Bator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason the airlines oversell flights is because of historically, a certain percentage never get on the flight in the first place - and the airlines end up re-accommodating them to another flight.  I can&#039;t tell you how many clients &quot;overslept&quot; &quot;got caught in traffic&quot; or simply &quot;forgot&quot; to get to the airport for their flight.  An airline that ONLY sells the number of seats actually on the flight would go bankrupt in a month operating with that formula.  And yes, if your flight is oversold, take the responsibility of remaining at the desk to be re-accommodated, not expect to be &quot;magically&quot; covered.  Sorry, the &quot;travel fairy&quot; doesn&#039;t make it all better - sometimes you have to work a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason the airlines oversell flights is because of historically, a certain percentage never get on the flight in the first place &#8211; and the airlines end up re-accommodating them to another flight.  I can&#8217;t tell you how many clients &#8220;overslept&#8221; &#8220;got caught in traffic&#8221; or simply &#8220;forgot&#8221; to get to the airport for their flight.  An airline that ONLY sells the number of seats actually on the flight would go bankrupt in a month operating with that formula.  And yes, if your flight is oversold, take the responsibility of remaining at the desk to be re-accommodated, not expect to be &#8220;magically&#8221; covered.  Sorry, the &#8220;travel fairy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make it all better &#8211; sometimes you have to work a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17871</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys! We are doing our best to make everyone happy - of course we drop the ball, we&#039;re only human! I will promise you that if we are in the wrong - we will make it right. It&#039;s a tough industry to be in right now (as Carver mentioned) and appreciate you guys giving us a chance :). If you have an unpleasant experience let me know about it! We can&#039;t improve without your guidance and feedback, so I encourage you to email the Customer Relations department on Spiritair.com or myself. Hope to see you on a future flight soon!

Ps. The woman that is mentioned is a coordinator that works under me - she is a wonderful asset to the company and I will pass this link on to her - thanks again everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys! We are doing our best to make everyone happy &#8211; of course we drop the ball, we&#8217;re only human! I will promise you that if we are in the wrong &#8211; we will make it right. It&#8217;s a tough industry to be in right now (as Carver mentioned) and appreciate you guys giving us a chance :). If you have an unpleasant experience let me know about it! We can&#8217;t improve without your guidance and feedback, so I encourage you to email the Customer Relations department on Spiritair.com or myself. Hope to see you on a future flight soon!</p>
<p>Ps. The woman that is mentioned is a coordinator that works under me &#8211; she is a wonderful asset to the company and I will pass this link on to her &#8211; thanks again everybody!</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17838</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Elvis

If economic principles are more convincing to you ( and they are to me) I am sure you understand that as supply increases, prices fall, all else remaining constant.  Overbooking is the equivalent of an increase in the supply of seats.  By contrast, when airlines want to increase the costs of seats, they fly smaller planes which effectively reduces supply. Since demand remains the same, the prices increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elvis</p>
<p>If economic principles are more convincing to you ( and they are to me) I am sure you understand that as supply increases, prices fall, all else remaining constant.  Overbooking is the equivalent of an increase in the supply of seats.  By contrast, when airlines want to increase the costs of seats, they fly smaller planes which effectively reduces supply. Since demand remains the same, the prices increase.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17835</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Elvis

Yes, it puts more money in the airlines pocket. Given how they have been bleeding money these past few years, we see the result of the airlines not having enough money.

no free checked luggage
no free drinks
fees for curbside baggage
no pillows
no blankets
no behind the seat storage on some airplanes
fees to book a ticket with a live person

Airlines with healthier balance sheets (i.e. a little more money) tend not to nicket and dime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Elvis</p>
<p>Yes, it puts more money in the airlines pocket. Given how they have been bleeding money these past few years, we see the result of the airlines not having enough money.</p>
<p>no free checked luggage<br />
no free drinks<br />
fees for curbside baggage<br />
no pillows<br />
no blankets<br />
no behind the seat storage on some airplanes<br />
fees to book a ticket with a live person</p>
<p>Airlines with healthier balance sheets (i.e. a little more money) tend not to nicket and dime</p>
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		<title>By: Elvis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; its to everyone’s benefit to overbook. The additional revenue allows everyone to 
&gt; have cheaper tickets.

Sorry, I have to disagree with this.  The ticket prices are set by market forces, supply and demand, nothing else.  

Overbooking just puts the extra money in the airline&#039;s pocket; it is of no benefit to any of the passengers.  Is that ok?  Maybe.  I think Mike makes a good point though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; its to everyone’s benefit to overbook. The additional revenue allows everyone to<br />
&gt; have cheaper tickets.</p>
<p>Sorry, I have to disagree with this.  The ticket prices are set by market forces, supply and demand, nothing else.  </p>
<p>Overbooking just puts the extra money in the airline&#8217;s pocket; it is of no benefit to any of the passengers.  Is that ok?  Maybe.  I think Mike makes a good point though.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17719</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strongly disagree with many of the comments

Its neither ignorance nor stupidity  on the passenger&#039;s part..  Not everyone is a seasoned road warrior.  The Spirit ticket agent should have immediately rebooked him on another flight.  Its shouldn&#039;t be up to the customer to know what to do.  It is entirely reasonable to believe that if the airline cannot accomodate you on your flight the computer would flag that and allow you to fly on another day.

As far as overbooking.  I don&#039;t have a problem with it.  Its certainly not illegal.  That&#039;s not in doubt.  Whether its unethical, reasonable people can dispute.  I don&#039;t see the problem.  When you know that historically on any given flight X percent of your customers will be no shows, its to everyone&#039;s benefit to overbook.  The additional revenue allows everyone to have cheaper tickets.  If the airline guesses wrong, then you are given compensation.  Usually there are enough people willing to accept compensation that people are rarely inconvenienced by overbooking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strongly disagree with many of the comments</p>
<p>Its neither ignorance nor stupidity  on the passenger&#8217;s part..  Not everyone is a seasoned road warrior.  The Spirit ticket agent should have immediately rebooked him on another flight.  Its shouldn&#8217;t be up to the customer to know what to do.  It is entirely reasonable to believe that if the airline cannot accomodate you on your flight the computer would flag that and allow you to fly on another day.</p>
<p>As far as overbooking.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with it.  Its certainly not illegal.  That&#8217;s not in doubt.  Whether its unethical, reasonable people can dispute.  I don&#8217;t see the problem.  When you know that historically on any given flight X percent of your customers will be no shows, its to everyone&#8217;s benefit to overbook.  The additional revenue allows everyone to have cheaper tickets.  If the airline guesses wrong, then you are given compensation.  Usually there are enough people willing to accept compensation that people are rarely inconvenienced by overbooking.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17706</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, some people don&#039;t really understand all the airline jargon.  

Only once have I been in an oversold position, where I went to check in and couldn&#039;t select a seat. I received a &quot;Priority Verification Card&quot; or whatever they call it. I went immediately through security and to the gate, and did not move from the area until I heard my name called to receive a real boarding pass. 

Not everyone knows that this is what you have to do in this case. If you don&#039;t get a seat, you become entitled to involuntary denied boarding compensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, some people don&#8217;t really understand all the airline jargon.  </p>
<p>Only once have I been in an oversold position, where I went to check in and couldn&#8217;t select a seat. I received a &#8220;Priority Verification Card&#8221; or whatever they call it. I went immediately through security and to the gate, and did not move from the area until I heard my name called to receive a real boarding pass. </p>
<p>Not everyone knows that this is what you have to do in this case. If you don&#8217;t get a seat, you become entitled to involuntary denied boarding compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but what’s with this strange comment? Why shouldn’t they have oversold his flight?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm, to not cause this whole thing to happen in the first place and deal with the headaches after? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but what’s with this strange comment? Why shouldn’t they have oversold his flight?</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm, to not cause this whole thing to happen in the first place and deal with the headaches after? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto, Mike, ditto! I am about to fly Spirit (eek!) in a couple weeks using a credit that I have and I am a little nervous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto, Mike, ditto! I am about to fly Spirit (eek!) in a couple weeks using a credit that I have and I am a little nervous!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/a-no-show-gets-a-second-chance-on-spirit-airlines/comment-page-1/#comment-17691</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why shouldn’t they have oversold his flight?&quot;

Maybe because its unethical and should be illegal to take money for something that you know you cannot deliver. 

While i will say that the passenger should have re-booked right then, it should also be squarely up to to the airline rep at the gate to help the passenger get on another flight. They are the ones with his money and they are responsible for making things right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why shouldn’t they have oversold his flight?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe because its unethical and should be illegal to take money for something that you know you cannot deliver. </p>
<p>While i will say that the passenger should have re-booked right then, it should also be squarely up to to the airline rep at the gate to help the passenger get on another flight. They are the ones with his money and they are responsible for making things right.</p>
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