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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/5-insider-strategies-for-avoiding-a-hotel-billing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-60391</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 04:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only had trouble with removing a billing error once with a hotel, and it was years ago, they charged for a &quot;950&quot; number that was supposed to be free.  They would not take that $5.95 off the bill.  It cost the chain several thousand dollars in billings over the next few years.  I boycotted them for 7 years.

That is the only billing problem I wasn&#039;t able to resolve.  The key here is my &quot;rule of 1000&quot; which is whenever someone bilks you out of a dollar, make absolutely sure it costs them at least 1000 times that much in lost business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only had trouble with removing a billing error once with a hotel, and it was years ago, they charged for a &#8220;950&#8243; number that was supposed to be free.  They would not take that $5.95 off the bill.  It cost the chain several thousand dollars in billings over the next few years.  I boycotted them for 7 years.</p>
<p>That is the only billing problem I wasn&#8217;t able to resolve.  The key here is my &#8220;rule of 1000&#8243; which is whenever someone bilks you out of a dollar, make absolutely sure it costs them at least 1000 times that much in lost business.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/5-insider-strategies-for-avoiding-a-hotel-billing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-24414</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carver,

I agree with you on the convenience.  It&#039;s just that, as you point out, it&#039;s a form of credit, and should be treated as such.  It&#039;s the responsibility of a credit grantor to verify the identity of their customer so they can collect later.  It&#039;s up to them to balance the convenience for their customer against the ability to prove the charge; if they can&#039;t substantiate that the person they&#039;re charging is the one who actually incurred it, then they need to smile, apologize, remove the charge, and eat the loss.

One of the problems with identity theft is how casual random businesses are in ensuring the customer is who they say they are, how vigorously they will try to collect against the wrong person later, and how hard it is for that wrong person to prove a negative -- that they *didn&#039;t* incur such charge.  A hotel has an advantage in that they only extend restaurant etc credit to a small set of people; they just need to use technology (e.g. card swipe) to ensure they&#039;re picking the correct one of that set.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carver,</p>
<p>I agree with you on the convenience.  It&#8217;s just that, as you point out, it&#8217;s a form of credit, and should be treated as such.  It&#8217;s the responsibility of a credit grantor to verify the identity of their customer so they can collect later.  It&#8217;s up to them to balance the convenience for their customer against the ability to prove the charge; if they can&#8217;t substantiate that the person they&#8217;re charging is the one who actually incurred it, then they need to smile, apologize, remove the charge, and eat the loss.</p>
<p>One of the problems with identity theft is how casual random businesses are in ensuring the customer is who they say they are, how vigorously they will try to collect against the wrong person later, and how hard it is for that wrong person to prove a negative &#8212; that they *didn&#8217;t* incur such charge.  A hotel has an advantage in that they only extend restaurant etc credit to a small set of people; they just need to use technology (e.g. card swipe) to ensure they&#8217;re picking the correct one of that set.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/5-insider-strategies-for-avoiding-a-hotel-billing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-24396</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some years ago, I arrived very late in the evening for a convention at the Hilton in Minneapolis. They &quot;lost&quot; my reservation. After a few exasperating words with the late-night front desk personnel, they sent me to a suite. Nice. The next day was a long one. Convention sessions, meetings, etc., stretching late into the evening. I returned to my suite at about 2 a.m. to find security at the door, a couple of housekeepers and some sort of manager waiting patiently outside. The Minnesota Vikings had reserved the entire floor. They packed me up and hustled me out in a matter of minutes. Suddenly I was back in a regular room with two queen beds. Un-nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago, I arrived very late in the evening for a convention at the Hilton in Minneapolis. They &#8220;lost&#8221; my reservation. After a few exasperating words with the late-night front desk personnel, they sent me to a suite. Nice. The next day was a long one. Convention sessions, meetings, etc., stretching late into the evening. I returned to my suite at about 2 a.m. to find security at the door, a couple of housekeepers and some sort of manager waiting patiently outside. The Minnesota Vikings had reserved the entire floor. They packed me up and hustled me out in a matter of minutes. Suddenly I was back in a regular room with two queen beds. Un-nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/5-insider-strategies-for-avoiding-a-hotel-billing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-24345</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josh

I can understand your point. European hotels generally ask only for my room number, but US hotels seems to ask for both Room number and name.  Its like any other form of credit. How difficult do we want to make it for transactions to occur.  I suspect that this erroneous billing is relatively rare and we don&#039;t want to make it too onerous else the hotels will stop offering the easy ability to charge items.

For example, on business trips, I often meet clients at hotels.  I will usually sign the valet ticket and have it charged to my room.  I&#039;d rather  have that type of flexibility and chance a hotel screw up then to then tighten up and lose the ability to do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josh</p>
<p>I can understand your point. European hotels generally ask only for my room number, but US hotels seems to ask for both Room number and name.  Its like any other form of credit. How difficult do we want to make it for transactions to occur.  I suspect that this erroneous billing is relatively rare and we don&#8217;t want to make it too onerous else the hotels will stop offering the easy ability to charge items.</p>
<p>For example, on business trips, I often meet clients at hotels.  I will usually sign the valet ticket and have it charged to my room.  I&#8217;d rather  have that type of flexibility and chance a hotel screw up then to then tighten up and lose the ability to do</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/5-insider-strategies-for-avoiding-a-hotel-billing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-24340</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again I&#039;m amazed that we allow this, or have to have alibi&#039;s or proof that we *didn&#039;t* incur an expense (by keeping random receipts for where *else* whe were).  The wishy-washy &quot;just note your room number&quot; thing is a major problem.

We need to make it clear (with laws) that it&#039;s the *hotel* that needs to substantiate each expense if challenged -- a printed room number simply shouldn&#039;t be sufficient and should result in immediate reversal of the charge with apology.  A signature (that matches), a room key swipe, etc, should be required, and if the hotel *chooses* not to ask for those at the restaurant etc, that&#039;s their problem, not mine.

Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again I&#8217;m amazed that we allow this, or have to have alibi&#8217;s or proof that we *didn&#8217;t* incur an expense (by keeping random receipts for where *else* whe were).  The wishy-washy &#8220;just note your room number&#8221; thing is a major problem.</p>
<p>We need to make it clear (with laws) that it&#8217;s the *hotel* that needs to substantiate each expense if challenged &#8212; a printed room number simply shouldn&#8217;t be sufficient and should result in immediate reversal of the charge with apology.  A signature (that matches), a room key swipe, etc, should be required, and if the hotel *chooses* not to ask for those at the restaurant etc, that&#8217;s their problem, not mine.</p>
<p>Josh</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name mixup happened to me once at the Frankfurter Hof in Frankfurt. I have a very common Irish-American name, but of course it&#039;s not so common in Germany, so when they got two of us coming in for a trade show, they figured there was a double booking and didn&#039;t save two rooms.

However, when I showed up at the front desk after the other guy had already checked in, and they realized there really were two confirmed guests with the same name, they were very classy about it, and gave my wife and me a very posh suite at the regular room price. That alone got them future visits from us, not to mention a good-sized group booking for a company trip.

As an aside, the Frankfurter Hof is a great hotel with wonderful service. On our first visit, my wife and I ordered tea and cookies each evening upon returning from dinner after the trade show. After the first two nights, I&#039;d dial room service and they&#039;d say, &quot;Good evening, Mr. ---, are you ready for your tea and cookies?&quot; And they kept a record and prepared tea and cookies on future visits years later, too. Amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name mixup happened to me once at the Frankfurter Hof in Frankfurt. I have a very common Irish-American name, but of course it&#8217;s not so common in Germany, so when they got two of us coming in for a trade show, they figured there was a double booking and didn&#8217;t save two rooms.</p>
<p>However, when I showed up at the front desk after the other guy had already checked in, and they realized there really were two confirmed guests with the same name, they were very classy about it, and gave my wife and me a very posh suite at the regular room price. That alone got them future visits from us, not to mention a good-sized group booking for a company trip.</p>
<p>As an aside, the Frankfurter Hof is a great hotel with wonderful service. On our first visit, my wife and I ordered tea and cookies each evening upon returning from dinner after the trade show. After the first two nights, I&#8217;d dial room service and they&#8217;d say, &#8220;Good evening, Mr. &#8212;, are you ready for your tea and cookies?&#8221; And they kept a record and prepared tea and cookies on future visits years later, too. Amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Carly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had an erroneous charge for $40 US on my credit card after checking out of the Sheraton in Seattle.  It was for valet parking; I had come to Seattle on the passenger ferry and got around using public transit and taxis.  When I had checked out I signed a bill saying there was $0 owing, so the transaction had been processed without my signature or approval.  I phoned the hotel and they agreed to refund the money, but in the process I lost $3 due to the difference in exchange rates betweent the day I was charged and the day I was refunded.  It&#039;s obviously not the end of the world, but I would have been really angry if it had been a $400 charge and I&#039;d lost $30 due to an exchange rate difference.  How can this be avoided?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an erroneous charge for $40 US on my credit card after checking out of the Sheraton in Seattle.  It was for valet parking; I had come to Seattle on the passenger ferry and got around using public transit and taxis.  When I had checked out I signed a bill saying there was $0 owing, so the transaction had been processed without my signature or approval.  I phoned the hotel and they agreed to refund the money, but in the process I lost $3 due to the difference in exchange rates betweent the day I was charged and the day I was refunded.  It&#8217;s obviously not the end of the world, but I would have been really angry if it had been a $400 charge and I&#8217;d lost $30 due to an exchange rate difference.  How can this be avoided?</p>
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		<title>By: Carver</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/5-insider-strategies-for-avoiding-a-hotel-billing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-24334</link>
		<dc:creator>Carver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So who&#039;s right? 

Is it Henry Harteveldt, the travel analyst at Forrester Research when he states that  “Where hotels generally used to remove an erroneous charge without question, now they are more careful,”

-OR-

Richard Atkins, a New York-based corporate trainer, who believes that. “In almost every case, a visit to the front desk resolves the [billing] issue

My personal experience is that Mr. Atkins is correct, at least insofar as you are perceived to be a valuable customer, e.g. member of the hotel&#039;s loyalty program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So who&#8217;s right? </p>
<p>Is it Henry Harteveldt, the travel analyst at Forrester Research when he states that  “Where hotels generally used to remove an erroneous charge without question, now they are more careful,”</p>
<p>-OR-</p>
<p>Richard Atkins, a New York-based corporate trainer, who believes that. “In almost every case, a visit to the front desk resolves the [billing] issue</p>
<p>My personal experience is that Mr. Atkins is correct, at least insofar as you are perceived to be a valuable customer, e.g. member of the hotel&#8217;s loyalty program.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Charney</title>
		<link>http://www.elliott.org/blog/5-insider-strategies-for-avoiding-a-hotel-billing-error/comment-page-1/#comment-24333</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Charney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me a couple of weeks of back-and-forth emails to get my hotel points, that had been erroneously posted to the account of a Carolyn Charney in Austin, TX.  I must look her up when I go there sometime. Could be a distant relative.,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a couple of weeks of back-and-forth emails to get my hotel points, that had been erroneously posted to the account of a Carolyn Charney in Austin, TX.  I must look her up when I go there sometime. Could be a distant relative.,,</p>
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